
New Features & Quality of Life Improvements for DTS Play-Fi
Version 8.3
It's time for another update, and this time there's a lot of little things all over the place that the team over here has implemented, improved, and touched up across the board to provide a better Play-Fi experience overall, not to mention several fixes and updates that users have been requesting recently. Check out below for a comprehensive list of details:
- Gapless Playback When Transferred
- Whether doing a Transfer on the spot, or initiating a Scene that starts Transferred, all playback supports gapless audio where applicable (lossless files and albums).
- Critical Listening Faster Playback
- Starting tracks or going to the next track in most music services should feel faster now when in Critical Listening mode, essentially reducing the buffer due to improved current streaming standards.
- Transfers should start faster with major content services (depending on server availability)
- Improved Look and Feel
- Initial app launch screens for new users should be less jarring, and transition smoothly from one to the next.
- Less pop-ups when selecting tracks, starting new tracks, browsing data, etc. The app should just immediately load the next item of content, when available.
- Spotify eSDK Updates
- Improved long-term playback, so audio should continue for the full extent of playlists, even exceptionally long ones.
- Fixed issue with Preset recall, so Presets should always appropriately recall.
- Takeover from Spotify or to Spotify should always complete successfully now, without odd warnings, errors, etc.
- Proper messaging to host products on next track, so that products don’t trigger a “sleep mode” if they were listening for “next track” messages (part of a gapless improvement in the backend).
- AirPlay Updates
- Audio stream quality improved with updated sync protocol from Apple.
- Streams should properly switch sources away after disconnect.
- Wi-Fi improvements
- Wi-Fi system level protocols and divers updated for more network compatibility / reliability.
- Latest system security standards updated to current specifications.
- Wireless Surround
- Synchronization improvements for all surround modes.
- Improvements to robustness of surround groups when switching between various music, TV, and other playback modes.
- Fixes for trim and distance settings for standard 5.1 groupings.
- General Playback Improvements
- Long-term playback improved for all embedded Play-Fi services.
- Fix for track transitions not occurring appropriately in certain end-of-album/queue conditions.
- Fixes for improper shuffle indexing not showing proper tracks, or limiting the number of tracks shuffled.
Hope everyone likes the new updates! If you're using Polk or Definitive Technology products, be sure to switch to the DTS Play-Fi app to get the latest features, perform an update using the manual update package found on this FAQ, and for certain products like the Polk S6, you may need an additional update first before proceeding. In any case, please feel free to write us at support@play-fi.com for any questions, feedback, etc.
Version 8.2
We have a new update rolling out now that brings some new features to Play-Fi, as well as broader improvements for the platform as a whole:
- Play-Fi Home Theater configuration for 7.2.4 on compatible systems
- Gapless playback extended to more Play-Fi products
- Improvements for AirPlay on supported models
- Updates to Spotify
- Stability improvements for playback, and for more network configurations
The big news is that we now have the Play-Fi Home Theater configuration within the DTS Play-Fi app, and it will let you link up immersive surround products in the Play-Fi family for 7.2.4 surround sound, and this includes the Fidelio line of sound bars, speakers, and subwoofers.
For music lovers, pretty much all of the Play-Fi products ever made now support gapless audio playback, with an exception for certain AVR products. You can read more about Gapless in the link provided in our 8.1 release notes below, but essentially you can now enjoy a more seamless audio listening experience across every service.
And as always, we're constantly making updates to additional services and protocols within the platform to ensure everyone gets the latest features for their favorite services, and we've also made some system improvements that should provide additional reliability for different and newer network configurations. We hope all these updates make everyone's holiday listening a joyful, exhuberant, and even a relaxing time. We'll see you next year with even more from Play-Fi!
Version 8.1
Overall, this update is trim and focused, but at least one of these features is something that we know certain users have been looking forward to:
- Gapless playback for newer Play-Fi products
- Improvements for Media Server playback
- Fixes for start-up behavior on certain products
It's true, we're rolling out gapless audio playback with this update, and this isn't just for certain services, or when listening to certain content types. All playback modes within the app are now gapless, and this of course includes Hi-Res audio content up to 24 bit / 192 kHz. Whether in Critical Listening mode, or streaming to a group of 16 products, you'll get a gapless audio experience when listening to albums or playlists from any of our supported music services.
For more information on Gapless Audio, how to use it, and the finer details of how this is rolling out, please see this article.
We have more updates coming up soon, so let us know what you think, and we'll continue to work to incorporate feedback into the app and system software.
Version 8.0
For this new update, we've made some changes in the background for some additional features that will be coming later in the year. For the moment, here are the core changes you can take advantage of right now:
- Streaming performance when Transferred has been improved
- AirPlay streaming has been improved for supported products
- Google Cast streaming has been improved for supported products
- Additional streaming service improvements
This is mostly laying the groundwork for some upcoming product launches, service updates from music platforms, etc., and we hope to launch several new features and fixes in an upcoming update soon. Some users have reported some issues relating to DLNA media servers, and we do know about those, and have some fixes, and hope to get those out in the next release. Sorry for the delay, but we hope to able to share lots of news and updates with everyone soon!
Version 7.2
This is a rather simple update to fix a couple of key things before we move to our next major update, so we'll keep this brief:
- Synchronization update for DTS Play-Fi Home Theater to coincide with the 1.6 update for Philips Televisions.
- Surround Sound update and fixes for DTS Play-Fi sound bars
- Synchronization update for AirPlay compatible products
- Synchronization update for lossy streams and formats, such as mp3.
- Improvements to Google Home app setup, for products that support Chromecast Built-In
So if you're using a surround setup or DTS Play-Fi enabled TVs in various ways, you'll definitely want to grab this update!
Version 7.1
After our last major UI overhaul, we've come back this time after reviewing feedback from everyone regarding the improvements, and have made some updates to make things a little better, faster, stronger, while also adding in some bonus features here and there:
- Now Playing screen updated with an enhanced look with improved controls for a better music listening experience
- When browsing tracks in Amazon Music, Qobuz, and TIDAL, you can now see the audio quality prior to playback with appropriate badges on each track
- Amazon Music now supports Shuffle and Play Queue
- Tidal menu and browsing has been updated
- Transfers and Presets now support Critical Listening mode
- Critical Listening mode streaming relability has been improved in all modes
- Fixes for Presets on Stereo paired devices (saving and recalling supported through leader device)
- Stream From audio experience improvement
- iOS volume rocker fix
- iOS 15 compatibility update (fixes multiple instances of crashing or app rebooting)
- And lots of other little fixes regarding network compatability, UI behavior, etc.
We made some changes to our Now Playing screen to present items in a hopefully clearer fashion, but also ensure that certain things are always accessible (like the master volume bar).
You'll notice the Transfer button is now up top beside the Save to Preset button and the Queue button. This keeps the advanced management features in one place, while the play controls all remain prominent, localized on the bottom. As mentioned, the main volume bar is now always visible on this screen, but you can still manage your whole group or home's volume by tapping the volume button in the bottom left, and you can edit the group or the room by tapping the name in the bottom middle. As always, the Play-Fi button takes you to the main control screen where you can manage your active zones.
We mentioned that Transfer button above, and it's an important button, because it allow you to play content in a "set-it-and-forget-it" sort of way. Tap Transfer to move the stream off the phone and onto the product or group itself, freeing upyou and your handset to do other things while playback continues without interuption.
What's better about this feature is that it now supports Critical Listening zones, so you can trasnfer your Amazon Music or Qobuz playlists and know that you're always getting the best audio quality. We've also made some improvements in the backend as well, so users who might have had some troubles wiht the higher quality files before should have a smoother experience now, all while still maintaining quality.
So please go ahead and give this new version a play. We'll be listening to feedback and working on more updates across all Play-Fi products, as usual, so stay tuned for more soon.
Version 7.0
It’s been a long time coming, but we’re happy to put out the first in the 7.0 series of Play-Fi software. There’s lots that’s new in this update in regards to form and function. One thing you’ll notice likely first is that things look different. We’ve done a serious overall to the core Play-Fi experience to make things feel smoother and better, and also place certain features in easier to get to places.
Let’s actually go over the specifics:
- Updated UI
- Main Zone modules are redesigned and simpler
- Volume controls are now accessible through a volume button on the bottom left
- Speaker / Group editing is now available in a button in the middle center
- The + button now brings up the “Start” screen
- Animating transitions implemented between each core screen
- “Start” Screen
- Now has tabs for speaker / group selection (default), Recent, and Scenes (Previously Presets).
- All extra features that were previously under a pop-up menu are now accessible in the start screen, such as the above-described items, as well as Headphones (available on the bottom), and “Stream From”, which is now an extra option displayed when selecting a speaker that supports this feature
- Source selection is now full screen and shows all potential sources without the need to scroll.
- Faster Playback with Transfer
- For features such as Transfer (Including saving Scenes and Widgets to Start Transferred), WwA, DMR, and anything that plays directly from the speaker rather than the phone app, this new playback method allows for faster start-up time, and shorter transition time between tracks, for a smoother and more enjoyable listening experience
- Various fixes
- Hi-Res Streaming improvements
- Amazon Transfer / Direct Rendering support for EU users
- Enabled Stereo for WwA
- Other minor back-end improvements for playback, switching back to the app after backgrounding, etc.
So overall, it's a big overhaul! The new UI should help guide users to take advatage of some of our nicer playback managerment features including transfer, and hopefully the smoother and faster track to track playback during a Transferred session will help people feel a little more connected to the music and keep the experience from feeling too slow, which is certainly something we have heard in the past from enthusiasts. It's not gapless, yet, but it's a signficant step up while we work on the real thing.
We have more updates planned before the end of this year, notably to address the most requested features, as well as address any concerns users may have with the new UI, so please give us your feedback as always. The comments section may be a little overloaded here, but you'll be able ot share your thoughts on another post we'll make regarding the New UI, or as always, you can reach out to our support email, where you can share images, links, and other things that you maybe couldn't share here, which will better allow us to help you out or incorporate your requests into the next release.
Version 6.3
With this update, we've done a good amount of house-cleaning and unification, which should overall improve a lot of various playback features and services:
- Amazon Music, Tidal, and Media Server now support Transfer from Now Playing and Presets
- Google Home App setup integrated for supported Chromecast Built-In products
- New Play-Fi app setup to comply with current Android security API (Android only)
- Additional options for Amazon Music Hi-Res quality setting.
- Fixed Napster server error
- Improved SXM playback
- Speed improvements for products with Alexa Voice Services
- App Settings page now has sections for better navigation
In short, this update should make it so every major music service in the DTS Play-Fi apps now can set to Transfer, either on the Now Playing Screen, or when configuring a preset, which means you can set-it-and-forget-it whenever you want to queue up your favorite playlist or station for the day.
We originally posted about this in the 5.0 update (and it's still down there, go check it out!), but suffice to say this feature can greatly improve your performance, stability, and reliability, especially for long-term playback. Give it try by tapping the Transfer button or by setting it on your Preset!
What's Next?
We certainly have a lot of plans we can't directly discuss at the moment, but our next major release is going to be using the "7.0" version moniker. The intention will be to make a lot of these new features a little more accessible, easier to use, and to bring out some long, long, requested features from users. Over these next few months we're going to be hard at work bringing this update to the app, building on the feedback that we've gotten and continue to get, so get ready for some big changes coming soon!
Version 6.2
Lots of new things with this update, which includes some product-specific features, as well as enhancements to services for all. Take a look:
- Philips TV and speaker products now support Pandora, AirPlay, and Chromecast Built-In
- SiriusXM now supports Presets and Transfer
- Amazon Music content can now be saved as hardware Presets for certain Audiolab, McIntosh, Phorus, Rotel, and SVS products
- “Line-In Streaming” is now “Stream From”
- New login method for Tidal to support their service update (Transfer feature temporarily disabled)
- New languages: Indonesian, Korean, Malay, and Thai
- General improvements to the music service and media server browsing experience
We have more updates planned for the end of this year and next that should see further enhancements to the music services, fresh updates to feature sets of external protocols such as Amazon Alexa and Chomecast Built-In for products that support those, and more items that many people have very fervently been asking for (hint, hint), so stay tuned for those!
Version 6.1
This update features some refinement and performance improvements primarily, notably:
- Amazon Music is now available in Australia, Brazil, Canada, India, and Mexico
- AirPlay2 streaming improvements for compatible products
- TV Multiroom streaming improvements
- DTS Headphones streaming improvements
- And other general service improvements based on feedback
We're also working on more service improvements for future updates to go alongside some of our more major updates, so stay tuned for those.
Version 6.0
There's a big number change on this one, and that's because we've made some big updates behind the scenes in anticipation of the launch of Philips new 2020 OLEDs (see the separate news article for full details on that). Besides that we have done some other improvements around the edges of some services, but here's some more details below:
Philips TV Compatibility
We’ve added many improvements in anticipation of the launch of DTS Play-Fi for Philips TVs, which will be compatible with all DTS Play-Fi products in the market today, allowing for synced music streaming from room-to-room, as well as the capability to wirelessly stream the TV Audio to any or all of the DTS Play-Fi products in your home for a Whole Home TV Audio experience. These TVs are also compatible with the DTS Play-Fi Headphones app, so you can enjoy a private listening experience.
Amazon Music HD Settings
You can now select the playback quality under Settings when browsing Amazon Music in our app. This way, if you're streaming multiroom, you can opt for "HD" quality to save on bandwidth while preserving audio accuracy, or you can configure to normal quality if you prefer to save on bandwidth.
Improved Music Services
Browsing and music selection should be improved for Amazon Music, iHeartRadio, and Pandora. We've made some adjustments in-line with newer updates on the services ends, so overall things should be smoother.
We have more updates planned for this summer, espeically as we see these new products roll-out, so stay tuned for further updates.
Version 5.2
This update offers a handful of quick improvements to various services and features in the app and system software to make playback better for these services:
- SiriusXM
- Spotify
- DLNA (Media Server)
- QPlay
- AirPlay and AirPlay 2
If you use any of these services, you should see significant improvements to your listening experience, and all reported crashes, hangs, etc., should be resolved. Let us know at support@play-fi.com if you run into any other issues, and we'll look into or resolve them for you.
Bonus Feature . . .
There is also technically a bonus feature in this update that we're not avertising officially. If you've gotten this far, then you probably would like to try it out. This feature is known as DMR. This means that you'll be able to use a DLNA Media Client or Player or stream directly to any product with DTS Play-Fi, without first needing the app. For example, you'll be able to open BubbleUPnP, and tell it to render to your DTS Play-Fi product on the network, and your media server will play audio straight to your audio system, no app middle-man inbetween.
Why is this unadvertised? Right now we've not optimized this extra protocol for Ultra High Resolution files (though 24 bit / 48 kHz should play just fine), so we can't wholly recommend it for those with many files ripped as DSDs, but for those of you with FLAC collections from CDs, ALAC collection from iTunes, feel free to give this a try and let us know how you like it in the comments, or via e-mail.
Version 5.1
This update features new additions and improvements to our music service offerings!
Radio.com
RADIO.COM lets you listen to your favorite radio stations for free - anytime, anywhere. Listen to over 300 stations along with over 1,100 podcasts. Explore by location, or genre to find music, news and sports from your home area, or across the U.S.
Amazon Music HD
Amazon Music HD is a new tier of premium quality music with more than 50 million songs in High Definition (HD) and millions of songs in Ultra High Definition (Ultra HD), the highest quality streaming audio available. At just $12.99/month for Prime members or $14.99/month for Amazon customers, Amazon Music HD makes high quality, lossless audio accessible to all music fans. Existing Amazon Music Unlimited subscribers (Individual or Family Plan) can upgrade to Amazon Music HD for an additional $5/month.
With DTS Play-Fi, you can stream Ultra HD content up to 24 bit / 192 kHz on all your favorite DTS Play-Fi audio products that support Critical Listening mode. Even without Critical Listening mode, you can enjoy multiroom audio in HD (lossless) quality on every DTS Play-Fi product across all brands.
Spotify Connect for Free Accounts
We're updating more products to support streaming via Spotify Connect when using a Free Spotify account. All DTS Play-Fi products from Arcam, Audiolab, Klipsch, McIntosh, Phorus, Quad, SoundCast, SVS, and Wren can be streamed to even on Free accounts. Additionally, The Onkyo P3 and Pioneer Elite F4 Smart Speakers are now also updated to support comatability with Free accounts. More brands and products coming soon, so stay tuned!
And More!
We also did some house cleaning, made some improvements, and fixed a few issues that were reported to us from users. iHeartRadio now supports more regions in our app, and we improved and updated Qobuz as well. For products that support AirPlay and AirPlay 2, you may notice streaming is more reliable and faster in some cases.
Anyway, you can let us know your feedback in the comments below. We're always reading and reviewing them internally. We'll anticipate the most recent vocal feedback and just say that there's no Gapless playback at this time, unfortunately (we know that's a big one for a good portion of you audio lovers out there), but it is something we're taking a look at alongside some of our other hot ticket items, such as what we're doing with Phillips TV, and more.
We're always looking to improve the audio listening experience in fun and interesting new ways, even beyond the traditional, so keep writing in!
Version 5.0
There's some new updates and enhancements you maybe had a chance to see in the app! Here are some quick details about them!
Transfer to Speaker
Have you ever found yourself having some difficulty with streaming where the app cuts out, or something similar, because maybe you were going from place to place, or maybe the phone is just on the older side and doesn't perform over Wi-Fi as well as it used to? Maybe you just don't want the party to stop and need to step out for some air or restock the fridge? This new feature should help mitigate these various situations for you.
After you start playback, you'll see the new Transfer icon and button on the Zone and the Now Playing screen for any DTS Play-Fi product that can support this feature (which are the same products that support Works with Alexa) Simply tap the button (or tap and hold on the album art while playing), and you'll get a prompt to transfer to the Play-Fi product, freeing up your phone.
This functionality is supported with most of our online services, except for Amazon Music in our app and SiriusXM, but these services should be coming soon, and you can still play those services from Works with Alexa, which have always played directly from the product, untethered from the app.
Transfer Presets
Maybe you're the kind of person who always has other things going on, and want to start playback already transfered to the speaker. We've made it so that you can save and edit your Presets so that they automatically start from the Play-Fi product itself.
You'll see the option when editing any saved Preset, as above. You can even have multiple Play-Fi products linked to presets, and as long as one of them supports the Transfer functionality, you'll be able to enable this option.
Other Stuff Too!
There's lots of little performance enhancements and small usablity tweaks we made as well, that should make all of our various features just a little better and more relaible and enjoyable to use, so give it a shot, and let us know what you think!
Version 4.8
We're always making all sorts of improvements to DTS Play-Fi, but this time, there's so much, we had to make a special post about it. There's a lot here to enjoy, so we'll get right to it!
DTS Play-Fi Headphones
We have a dedicated news article for this already, but we're officially launching on both Android and iOS with this new update. This new feature is part of a brand new app called DTS Play-Fi Headphones, and allows users to connect to compatible DTS Play-Fi products to stream audio from an on-device input source and maintain sychronization between the audio and that original source. You can even have multiple apps connected to the same source at the same time.
Products that work with this feature are below:
- Definitive Technology W Studio Micro sound bar
- Klipsch Gate receiver, PowerGate amplifier, RSB-8 sound bar, RSB-14 sound bar, RW-1 speaker, “The Capitol Three” speaker, and “The Three” speaker
- McIntosh MB50 streaming audio player
- Onkyo Smart Speaker G3
- Paradigm PW LINK pre-amplifier
- Phorus PS10 speaker
- Pioneer Elite Smart Speaker F4
- Polk Omni S6 speaker and SB1+ sound bar
- . . . and more coming soon!
If you have one of these products, but don't see it showing up in the list in the app, contact your manufacturer and they can be sure to get you updated as needed.
In-App Presets & Recents
If you find yourself playing a lot of the same stations, playlists, etc., this set of features is for you. The app can now store your play sessions as "scenes", so that you can easily tap and recall them. Whatever content you were playing, however you were playing it, and in whatever configuration around your house, it can all be stored to the app for a quick and easy way to get the music going.
Any time you want to save a preset, just tap the Save Preset button on the Now Playing screen or the zone module itself, and the app will capture the current session for recall.
Of course, if you'd rather have something more automated, the app also remembers whatever last you were doing in a session, and stores that in history under "Recents". Just like Presets, if you tap on any of these, it starts up automatically. Super easy.
Enhanced Play Queue
We've gotten a lot of requests to add the ability to queue music across more services, and with this new update, we're doing that. On Android, now not only can you queue Music on your phone/tablet and from music services like Tidal and Napster, you can now also queue in your local Media Servers. While browsing, you can tap on the option button to place any track or album into the queue in your specified order, edit the queue dynamically while it's playing, or just clear it entirely and start fresh.
On iOS, we decided to take it one step further. Not only can you now queue music in pretty much all of the available track-based services, you can create a queue that blends the tracks from different services together. If one service has a lot of tracks, and is just missing one or two, you can add in something from your local collection, or even another service, and playback doesn't have to stop. Feel free to keep the music going. Set it and forget it.
Switching the In-Focus Zone
For a while now, if users started a stream from their application, the controls for that zone would be made available to the system on the phone/tablet, which means you'd see controls and metadata in the notifications, lock screen, or even on connected smart devices such as smart watches, etc. The system would understand that this is the current zone that's "in focus". Of course, this was just for zones you started yourself on your phone/tablet.
Now the zone that's In-Focus can be automatically shifted based on your activities, thanks to the newest update. You'll notice that any time you do any activity over a zone in the Play-Fi Control screen (the default screen when you open the app) or even just scroll over it, you'll get a little highlight along the sides of the zone module, and this will indicate that we're sending this up to the phone/tablet system.
And it doesn't mater where this content is coming from, so Spotify Connect or even Amazon Alexa sessions can be controlled from your notifications, lock screen, or even smart watches. No matter what you're doing, we're making it easier for you to make adjustments with just a touch.
New Streaming Service: SOUNDMACHINE
We've added another streaming service to the app, and this one has a focus on business. Within DTS Play-Fi, we have support for business accounts on a few of our music services, but SOUNDMACHINE is designed primarily and exclusively for businesses.
With SOUNDMACHINE, you can customize and tailor the musc experience entirely to the image you're trying to create for your place of commerce. No need to constantly manage the playlist: Set stations and customize the mood and theme of the music, and schedule days or certain hours for different types of music. You can fine tune your content, and even import and program special messages to compliment your business.
If you'd like to see more, Click Here for more details and a Free Trial offer!
More Products Work with Amazon Alexa
We're also updating several more DTS Play-Fi products to be Works with Alexa compatible. Here's what's coming in this update:
- Arcam rPlay
- Definitive Technology W Studio Micro sound bar
- Klipsch RSB-8 sound bar
- Klipsch RSB-14 sound bar
- Polk Audio Omni SB1 Plus sound bar
- Soundcast VG10 portable outdoor speaker
- SVS Prime Wireless Speaker
- SVS Prime Wireless Soundbase
. . . And lots of improvements and fixes!
As always, we're working diligently to fix issues and improve overall performance across the board for the DTS Play-Fi platform, and this update will see a whole host of improvements and fixes to issues that we've found and have been reported to us by our users.
If you're curious about some of the more complex features listed above, you can check our Knowledge Base, which has sections dedicated to the Presets and Amazon Alexa features. You can also e-mail us directly, or even just comment below.
We want you to know that we do absolutely read everything and are listening, even if we don't have a reply to every comment in the moment (we try to comment as much as we can), so please do share any and all thoughts you have with us so that we can continue to improve DTS Play-Fi together.
Comments
Emil Nowoszewski 07-14-18
Hi when can we expect some simple EQ controls especially for the paradigm PW amp?
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DTS Play-Fi 07-16-18
Hey Emil,
This is something we discuss internally, but not something you may be able to expect in a new feature for some time. As you may already know, DTS Play-Fi is primarily a transportation method and facilitator for audio, and we try not to touch or adjust the audio wherever possible to preserve the premium listening experience most people expect from our audio partners.
This means that if adjustments are made on the audio, it is done so from the host product. The PW Amp is a good example because they make use of the Anthem Room Correction platform to adjust their tuning to better suit the room. This ensures the best possible reproduction experience.
We don’t want to dictate how one of our partners’ products should characterize or control their audio, so we’ll generally try to leave it up to them. It’s their sound signature, after all. This doesn’t mean we’ll stop considering ways to do it that preserves the audio integrity, but for now, we trust the legacy of our audio partners.
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Barry Levine 12-26-19
Without EQ, the listening experience is far from premium - sounds muffled and lacking in treble.
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Chris 01-09-20
You need better gear then or room treatment. Shouldn’t need an eq if you have good equipment and room treatment.
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Mazen 01-16-21
Sound quality is good but EQ will give DTS an edge over other “Transporters” to use your exact words. I have 6 devices connected on play-fi paradigm streamers throughout my house between Anthem, paradigm, Klipsch, Peachtree Audio, NAD, Triangle, Monitor audio, Kef, Canton, Integra, Yamaha…. All of these are components/speakers I use and as you can tell very high end components..and I will still appreciate/benefit from ability to EQ. It can be switched on and off for people who doesn’t like to color the sound like on the Bluesound that uses BlueOS also as a"transporter” to other platforms. Again it’s a feature that will be appreciated. FYI most of the people streaming today are not using your vintage McIntosh gear, people now use high end dacs that are hooked to streamers and power amps (mostly class D) if they are using separates with majority using less component…...point is all people will be happy relying on the preamp included in most DACs if your solution provides “Tone Control"rather than buying a separate component…and that’s one less component
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Horilal banjare 07-27-21
Dts sound
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jayne 10-28-21
Do I need to purchase another HD license if I did a clean windows install? I reinstalled the Play-fi app on my windows laptop, two speakers are connected but only one speaker, or two speaker through one channel will work. I believe this is the ‘free’ version limitation? Only one channel works. Do I need to purchase the license again? Thank you for your consideration. I apologize if I’m posting in the wrong place.
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Hendrk purnama 12-15-18
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Carsten Møller 11-08-19
This is not a comment to Emil. I just can’t find where to start a new comment, great page design!
Anthem room correction is brilliant, BUT the Play-fi app is the worst ever.
I use Tidal as music provider, and their app I brilliant, why can’t Play-fi implement some of their simplest features.
Why can’t I see which tracks/albums are Master quality
Why isn’t there always a quick menu on screen, like Tidals, Home, Discover, Search, My music
On Tidal opening page there are 23 (twenty three) on Play-fi there’s 3 (three) predetermined search categories
I miss, in random order:
Recommend new songs / new albums
Last played
Popular playlist
Mixes for me
Albums in Master quality
Tidal rising
Course you listened to
And, and and
Just to mention a few
Is there a chance for just a few to get into the app.
I haven’t seen any bigger changes in the user interface for last 3-4 years, what does your developer/design department spend time with?
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DTS Play-Fi 11-08-19
Hey Carsten,
I recognize the passion you have on this topic, but I might ask that you be little kinder with your phrasing next time. I don’t like deleting comments that do have important and valuable feedback in them.
Starting a new comment can be done at the bottom of the page with the “Reply to entry” option. Certainly not the best, but I hope it can suffice for a general comments section for our news articles.
As for Tidal, a lot of the things you’re asking for aren’t available in the API they provide, and you’ll find similar smart systems like ours are also limited to the same content selection options. Perhaps Tidal is in the process of updating their API so that we (and other competing smart systems) could have more control in providing the user an experience like the main app (which Tidal does spend quite a lot of their resources on), but I believe you’d have to ask them.
Our engineers work on a lot of different features for many different services and brands, and we try to touch on as much as is available to us, as well as develop new and exciting features on platforms that haven’t been seen before, such as what we’re going to be launching soon with Phillips TVs. Sometimes we have to prioritize certain features over others depending on overall demand or other factors, but this doesn’t mean we aren’t working hard, aren’t listening, and aren’t striving to provide a better experience across the board for audio listening. I promise that we’re doing all those things, and I hope that some of the improvements, new additions and features have shown some of that.
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Carsten Møller 11-16-19
Hi Justin
Sorry about the language, but when I, after severel attempts, don’t get a sufficient answer, I can be a bit sarcastic. I wrote a couple of times on mail, over the last years, but not in this forum.
So what you say is that it’s Tidal restrictions that’s the reason to why you can’t install the features you want?
SoTidal will have some questions coming
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Chris 02-01-21
Hi Carsten,
Did you get an answer from Tidal?
I also have the terrible experience of using Tidal on the play-fi app. From a business perspective, I don’t understand why Tidal wouldn’t open this up?
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Lukas 02-02-20
Tok tok start work don’t say sorry
2020r not 1980r everything is possible
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Rick G 03-25-20
In reading this thread and seeing the response from the Play-Fi team I had to chime in. Play-Fi needs an EQ capability BADLY. The idea sof preserving the original sound, or needing better equipment or room treatment are all poor reasons not to pursue development of EQ capabilities. I have a house full of Polk Audio Omni speakers and they sound good, but my friends that have SONOS speakers have much better sound. I believe whole-heartedly that SONOS’ ability to equalize the sound is the primary reason. If I could tweak the EQ settings on my Polk speakers, like SONOS, my system would sound SO much better. If Play-Fi wants to compete with SONOS, and I think they are close, EQ capabilities should be a TOP priority. Please listen to your customers!
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DTS Play-Fi 03-25-20
Hey Rick,
We listen. In the case of the Polk Omni products, they have a pretty wide swing in terms of sound output from their more price-friendly models to their larger, more powerful units. I don’t know that EQ adjustments can solve for all the audio needs for some of those units, though in some cases can perhaps make things more to a personal preference with what the transducers and amps are capable of (though typically it’s always a trade of one thing versus another, not pure gains).
As compared to Sonos, it might not be easy to do a direct comparison, because we have a wide variety of products in our family that support pricing needs and performance needs, so it’s not always apples to apples. I’d say with Klipsch, MartinLogan, and Paradigm, there are a few products in their family that maybe come close to similar audio performance specs as the Sonos products, and generally they perform much better, I think most people would agree (audio can still be a largely subjective element).
That’s not to say we haven’t looked to providing tools for our partners to do EQ, but as of yet it hasn’t been a driving factor for them. Maybe 2020 will be a year we see increased demand? I’d encourage everyone to speak to their audio brand representative for their products and tell them what feature it is you want. That’s one of the best ways to get the ball rolling for some of these things.
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Martin 06-28-20
the design is really good
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Gary 11-10-19
I cannot connect my macbook pro. No app for it and the browser set up does not work on it. Help. How about a macbook , iMac app please
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Ku 09-08-21
Can YouTube Music Premium be played on Play-Fi ?
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Allen Culver 07-16-18
question will you be adding tunein radio to dts playfi app we want tunein because alot of the stations on tunein radio are not listed on iheart radio.my local radio station streams on tunein radio not on iheart radio.
Thanks
Allen culver
Illinois
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Allan Helton 08-22-18
I live in Canada and have several Klipsch DTS Play-fi products (The Three + 2 x RW-1 speakers) and wondered if there is any update on when Amazon Music will be supported for streaming over DTS Play-fi in Canada.
Thank you.
Allan Helton
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DTS Play-Fi 08-22-18
Hey Allan,
I believe Amazon should be making this available for us in the coming months, and it will be expanding to even more regions at the same time. I believe their intention was to take care of as much as possible in one fell swoop.
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Allan Helton 08-31-18
Justin, thanks for the update. Do you expect ‘coming months’ will translate to a 2018 announcement. Thanks again for your update.
Allan Helton
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CJ 12-23-18
I second this. I love the Play-Fi concept and I have Amazon Music unlimited so I find it frustrating to be stuck with internet radio and I heart radio which often has issues…
Any update on when Play-Fi / Amazon Music will be available for Canadian users?
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Tom 12-20-19
Almost 2020 and still waiting for Amazon music support in Canada. Must be some licensing issue or other. Can’t think of any other reason why it would more than 3 years?
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Matthew D. 08-26-18
Some great new features here! Is it possible to sort my Tidal favorite artists, favorite albums, and favorite tracks by “date added”? It used to default to that, but is now alphabetical. I’d love to have both settings, but when it comes to listening to new releases, and discoveries, I rely on sorting by “date added”.
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Tim J 10-02-19
This is such an annoying ommitance! Every other app gives the choice of alphabetical or date added. I really don’t understand why they changed this. The people at DTS clearly don’t use Tidal on a regular basis.
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Josh 08-31-18
Are you working on the Pandora service in the iOS app to offer some of Pandora’s normal iOS features? Mainly scrolling through last played tracks to thumb up/down or possibly replay (as in Pandora app)? Can’t always get to the app while a track is playing.
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Kenneth 09-09-18
Why can you not play Apple Music selections on your app? I also do nott understand why we can not get the shuffle feature to work on Amazon Music. Why is the button there if it has never worked?
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Emma Roberts 05-14-21
Hi. Did you work out how to get Apple Music working? Thanks
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Ethan 09-10-22
Trying to figure out the same thing
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Scott 09-16-18
I have several questions regarding Play-Fi as implemented on my Onkyo TX-NR777. Onkyo has no answers to these questions.
* I am an Amazon Music Unlimited subscriber. The Amazaon Music app on Play-Fi is missing a plethora of features contained in the Android Play Store Amazon Music App. The ones I am most concerned about relate to audio streaming quality. In the Android app, you can choose “best quality” in the audio settings, so that when I am using the Chromecast built in to my receiver, I am receiving the “best quality” stream from the Amazon app—in Amazon’s case, 256 bitrate (I have a 100 mbps FIOS connection, so I have a ton of bandwidth available).
But there is no way to set the audio quality in the Play-Fi Amazon Music app. So what bitrate is Play-Fi streaming at given my 100 mbps FIOS connection? What determines the streaming quality Play-Fi uses on my network? How can I tell what the quality/bitrate of the audio stream is? Will Play-Fi add an audio quality settings functionality so that I and others can be assured we are getting the “best quality” that the Android Amazon Music app provides (as well as other apps, such as Deezer, which, like Amazon, are missing entirely the audio quality setting in the Play-Fi app, but you can choose “High Quality,” which is 320 bitrate, in the Deezer Android Play Store app)?
There are other features missing from the Amazon Music Play-Fi app, with the biggest being Alexa. I have a Firestick, and simply cannot use Alexa in the Play-Fi Amazon Music app. With the Android Play store Amazon Music app, Alexa is voice-activated, and I can either listen on the phone or stream to the receiver with Chromecast using Alexa. When will Alexa be included in the Play-Fi Amazon Music app so that it will have the same functionality as the Android Play Store app?
Thank you for your consideration.
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Scott 09-16-18
I want to clarify something from what I just wrote. My having a Firestick is completely immaterial to Alexa’s integration into the Amazon Music Android Play Store app. With Alexa voice-activated in the Play Store app, I can stream to my Chromecast-enabled Onkyo TX-NR777 simply by connecting to Chromecast and asking Alexa to play a song, playlist or station, and the Onkyo will play the music through my home theater speaker system. The Firestick I have is completely unrelated to this functionality. Sorry for any confusion. Scott
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Erik 10-20-19
Couldn’t agree more. Hi Rez is a reason I went with Amazon HD service and I’m uncomfortable that Play-Fi isn’t supporting this feature. My audio system cost more than my car and I’d RRALLY rather not listen to MP3 level data from Play-Fi!
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DTS Play-Fi 10-22-19
Hey Erik,
We’re going to support Amazon HD and UHD within our DTS Play-Fi app, and we’re just waiting for the service to be enabled for our implementation, which should be happening in relatively short order. The app is already updated to support it, so as soon as Amazon flips that switch, you can play that content.
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David Butler 11-08-19
Hi Justin - Any updates here? Was considering buying a new receiver to use with Amazon HD and UHD music. There seems to be so many challenges across various vendors and technologies, that I hesitate to invest at this point.
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DTS Play-Fi 11-08-19
Yup,
It’s available now. We have a news announcement up on the News page, and we also updated this page to reference the new UHD streaming option.
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Jason 11-20-19
I have Amazon Music HD (free trial) iOS app installed and working on iPhone 7 and on iPad Pro. I am successful at streaming Play-fi to my Anthem MRX-720 from these devices, but when I try to use Play-fi to stream Amazon HD, it is only regular Amazon and not Amazon HD. How can I get the full HD version to play through Play-fi to my MRX-720? Yes, I did first initiate critical listening mode.
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Niklas Schmidt 11-30-19
It actually does. Or do they claim. And if you tap the screen, then you can see the bitrate. Though not for all songs.
But yes that is irritating. Because I also want to see it. As a recent amazon music client. Integration is so so in the playfi app. I can’t shuffle. And as a small standard their opportunity is really with amazon hd. That I take full advantage of on my 4 units
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Reece 11-01-18
Hi there, are there any plans to enable Gapless playback through Play Fi devices. I have a Polk Omni music streamer and it works really well, but I would really like to be able to play gapless from Tidal and Spotify.
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Shipley Bill 01-17-19
Yes I too would like to have your support for hapless playback.
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Mike 01-19-19
I’ve been using Play-Fi for four years now, and still no gapless playback. When will you finally implement that feature??? It’s very annoying be listening to, say, Hamilton, and hearing interruptions in the music as it moves from one track to the next. I don’t understand why this isn’t a higher priority for you. Plenty of other mp3 players have this feature.
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Ad 08-23-20
Likje many of us, we are waiting for the gapless play. This is an absolute must have for next release, which I hope will be soon.
Ad.
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Adam 12-06-18
Why is there no support for playing Apple Music? Is this a technical issue that has never been resolved, or has XPERI simply decided not to make a deal with Apple? Based on the lack of comments on this page, it’s fair to say that Play-Fi isn’t a very popular service. I’m guessing this could also play into the lack of support and quality of product.
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DTS Play-Fi 12-07-18
Hey Adam,
Well that’s not particularly nice
Apple Music is something we’re interested in adding support for. We’re speaking with Apple on a multitude of different topics right now, and they’re a great partner, so it’s our hope to figure out something that works both technically and on the business level.
Either way, if besides this you have some feelings, requests, or comments you’d like to make on the product, we’re always listening and actively updating to support more features and make the product better. You can let us know directly at support@play-fi.com
Even if we don’t respond to every message, we always read everything and discuss it internally.
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Matthew Gibson 10-01-19
How quickly do you anticipate Play-Fi being compatible with Apple Music? If this isn’t addressed very soon, then I’m switching and I’m sure I’m not the only one. Get it done.
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Antoine Bonin-palardy 10-10-19
You are right. I have a paradigm pw amp sitting on a shelf waiting to be used. I bought it almost 2 years ago with great hopes but I was terribly disappointed when noticed I couldn’t play Apple Music files. I’m tired of waiting and will be switching to Sonos probably
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Jason Ailor 04-12-20
I noticed the silence from Play-Fi on this topic. I have been waiting 4 yrs for this which is beyond a reasonable level of patience. This is not an issue with other platforms and yet they cannot get it done with Apple Music. Please give us some good news!
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Eric Cuillerier 04-28-20
Hi, I really need Play-Fi to support Apple Music. It’s how I listen to music. My PW Amp is useless without it.
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Bernie 04-30-20
Please oh please let’s have some Apple Music integration. I use an Android phone, so I can’t use it to play my Apple Music subscription on my Play-Fi devices (which are also AirPlay 2 and Chromecast devices). The only way I can listen to my Apple Music is using iTunes on a computer and AirPlay 2 or Chromecasting from my phone. I’d much rather do it from the PlayFi app on my Android phone.
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Franta 04-11-19
Some news about gapless…?
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DTS Play-Fi 04-11-19
Hey there,
No news at this time.
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Joe 01-16-21
Must be really difficult to get gapless music playing to your app. This is ridiculous!
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René 08-29-22
Now we´re in the second half of 2022 and still no gapless playback. That´s frustrating. Any news about this topic??
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Craig 09-02-22
See the latest news item on this site “DTS Play-Fi Turns-Up the Volume, Launching on Vestel and Philips TVs” way down in the text: “Gapless playback is supported in the latest 8.1 release of the DTS Play-Fi App.”
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René 09-04-22
Thanks, Craig! Very good news, finally. My iPad does show me still 8.0 and no update abailable at this time. Hoping to get 8.1 soon.
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Franta 04-12-19
Hi, I’m just deciding to buy the Anthem MRX 720 receiver, which uses DTS Play FI to play and the absence of gapless bothers me.
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Jang 05-12-19
Got any future plan for physical button to group/ungroup speakers? like sonos did recently.
I love most play-fi speakers which are great in terms of sound quality but hate it’s software.
Cheers.
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DTS Play-Fi 05-13-19
Hello Jang,
We’ve got some good ideas and new developments going towards improving usability, specifically centered around new ways to listen to and enjoy music, like in the way you describe. We hope to share more soon.
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Edward 07-02-19
When Oh When can we get the firmware update process fixed. Honestly, it doesn’t work.
I have multiple play-fi products (4xParadigm PW800, 2xPW-Amp, MRX1120.
The update process is TORTUOUS. I have a solid network (commercial grade) and also most devices attached via hardwire and yet the update fails every time with ‘finalizing’ on random devices. I have to reset the device, reset the router (to get a new IP address) and have also used USB and attempted web updates in the past but, guys, it doesn’t work well enough. Whenever I get a “new update available’ sign, it makes my heart sink as I know I have 3-4 hours (seriously) of work ahead.
You need to make this easier. It shouldn’t be that hard.
Just yesterday with one of my PW800s it refused to accept an update. I tried web, tried app and finally did the update using a USB stick which musically signaled it had completed the update ONLY to see the app then indicates that the device needed an update (are your downloadable files out of sync with the latest version?)
It’s driving me bananas and If I could rip it out and get my investment back, I would.
Please let me love this system!
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Payson Ayer-Dufner 07-15-19
I have two main concerns with your system, while it generally works fairly well the lack of eq support is a major drawback especially with Polk speakers that I own. I also find that while gapless playback would be really great not having speakers drop out of connection would be even better. Is there any tools available to determine why reconnecting issues occur so often?
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Johanes 08-15-19
Hi, anyone know why this feature does not work on Definitive W speakers anymore? I had it working and then suddenly it say the speaker does not support transfer.
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Bummer 08-18-19
Hello,
As some others, I miss gapless playback too.
I’m not relying on Play-Fi for that reason, It simply ruins the listening experience of too many albums. I’m sticking to bluetooth as a fallback solution, which does the job in that regard.
Going multi-speakers would have been cool though… Guess I has to be done with another audio system.
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Ron 09-07-19
Play-fi has improved. Transfer to Speaker is a huge win. Lack of gapless continues to be a major weakness. Seems like it is the most requested new feature, but responses on this page are few and far between, and none indicate you are even working on it. Take a hint from your customers, Play-Fi!
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DTS Play-Fi 09-09-19
We do listen and read every comment. I don’t always get a chance to respond to everything, so I apologize for that. We know gapless is highly sought after, and it’s something we do have in a roadmap, though it’s a bit of a ways off currently.
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Bob 09-20-19
A bit of a ways off seems strange to me. I was discarding music options 10 years ago on platforms that couldn’t support gapless. I’m listening to a live concert recording right now off of a NAS drive that sounds great. But the gap between songs is killing the experience. Until gapless is supported soon I am going to have to explore other options.
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Tom 12-20-19
Where is the transfer to button and what does it look like?
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Vincent MacNamara 07-01-20
10 months on from that post. Any update on when we’re likely to see gapless? Seriously thinking of ditching my streamer because of this.
And another gripe….why do I have to reconnect to the streaming service every time the selected album / playlist finishes?
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DTS Play-Fi 07-01-20
Hey Vincent,
It’s on our list right now, between everything else. After this current round of getting these versions for televisions out, we’ll have time to focus on it. Can’t provide a specific date at this moment, but we should have news to share this year.
As for connecting, if you’re on iOS and just doing the normal streaming, there’s a timeout in the system that ends our outbound connections after a pretty short amount of time. In iOS we did implement some auto-reconnect features which do try to rebuild the zone when returning to the app, and we do also have options for Presets and things of that nature to rebuild the zones. The Transfer function also moves the connection off the phone, and it will remain active indefinitely for that reason.
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Ad 08-05-20
Hi,
One thing, gapless is a must have! No discussion about that. I didn’t took it serious it was still not available.
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Joe 01-16-21
It’s 2021 now and there is still no gapless music available yet. Any updates on this?
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Manu 07-09-21
So many partners as of 2021, so little effort to make this app relevant and competitive.
This is really a shame. I guess we still have to live with a single update per year?
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Mike 09-09-19
Hi, recently I purchased Play-Fi HD License Key and I really enjoy streaming media with my Audiolab 6000N. But I want to share my two negative thoughts.
1. Connection method through Windows is not as simply as it could be. Before Audiolab 6000N I had Arcam miniBlink bluetooth DAC and it was ready to play the same moment I logged in with my PC. I literally didn’t need to care. But with DTS Play-Fi… oh my God. First I need to select music output device (because my laptop has internal speakers too), then I need to open DTS app and connect PC with a DTS compatible device (Audiolab 6000N in my case) and then… then I can finally play some sax. But then problem number 2 comes…
2. There is some huge (I mean HUGE) communication delay between Windows PC and Audiolab 6000N. Once I start playing some music, sound from the speakers comes about 5 seconds later. The same with adjusting the volume. All effects of operations I do on my PC takes place after about 5 seconds. With bluetooth Arcam miniBlink it was all done in the same second. I understand that Wi-Fi is way more advanced and proper technology for music streaming, but c’mon! This is unacceptable. Also, worth to add, I’m using 5GHz, not overloaded Wi-Fi router. So this is something to fix really soon, otherwise I have no chance and I’m going switch back to Arcam miniBlink.
Also problem number 3 - the app on Windows is so bad looking, that at first I thought I’m back to 90’. Really, get some average GUI designer, pay him and give us some new, modern, easy to use user interface. What you actually have, with its functionality, looks more like a alpha (or maybe beta) stage of some incoming app. This is not something I was expecting to see in a hi-fi industry.
The overall idea is great, but the implementation, so far, sucks. Please, make it better
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DTS Play-Fi 09-10-19
Hey Mike,
The Windows app should automatically switch the audio devices when you pick the speaker in the app, and it should switch back to the last used audio device when you disconnect. Shutting down the computer while connected, my prevent our app from properly switching the audio device back, and this may be what you’re seeing, though if you believe something else is happening, please write to our support email.
The Windows app also has a “Video” mode. It defaults to a “Music” mode, which buffers the audio to maintain a consistent stream of intermittent Wi-Fi, usually just 2 seconds, but it can be higher if data takes exceptionally long to get to the end unit, or there’s a lot of dropped packets. In “Video” mode, we remove this buffer, and audio playback is almost instantaneous. You can select the mode before and after selecting the playback speaker at the top of the application zone module.
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Mike 09-10-19
Hey Justin, thanks for getting back to me!
1. Ok, I just tested what you wrote and you’re right - audio devices switch automatically after connecting to the speakers via DTS Windows app.
How about adding two extra options in the settings - “Automatically connect to xxx speakers on Windows start” and “Automatically disconnect all speakers when shutting system down”? That would be a solution!
2. Ok, you’re right, again
In a “video” mode I face no more lags.
Also, could you please tell me why there are two sliders for one pair of speakers?
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Eric Knight 12-25-19
Why can I only sync Video Mode to one play-fi speaker? That is very disappointing given that I payed for HD… Probably have not use for play-fi if it can’t do this.
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Horilal Banjare 07-30-21
dts sound
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Warren 09-13-19
Hi,
I am using an Arcam rPlay. I like the product overall but still have the frquent issue of it disconnecting (using wired connections and a 5G WAP) when streaming from my Nas drive. I am hoping that the Transfer to Speaker feature will fix this, but it does not yet work for uPnP sources. Do you have any idea when this will be implemented?
Thanks.
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JBMeteo 10-01-19
V5 broke my NAS playback using Anthem MRX 720, PLEX. Had worked perfectly. Now finds server only every 6-7 attempts. Reinstalled app, rebooted wifi, etc. but no improvement. Are there any other resources for trying to fix this? Tx.
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